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PAR scoring = less squash

I've read the other topics ion this and I've accepted that we're 'giving it a go' for the summer season. After all, what harm can it do to try?

Well I've just come back from a game that could have lasted an hour but in fact lasted 26 minutes. I can honestly say (with no disrespect to my opponent) that I considered dropping a game so we could get a bit more time on court. How does that sound, right or wrong?

This game of squash is my one match per week and one that I'm prepared to travel to - BUT if my time on court is significantly reduced I'm going to veto any moves to continue PAR and will campaign for others to do so too.

I know this might seem like old news but now that we've tried it (albeit for two weeks) I challenge anyone to come forward and give a sensible reason why you want to shorten down your precious time on court? If you're a little overweight and always found it a struggle to last the distance then sure I can take that. But why were people like Mark Steedon, Matt Badger and others wanting to go for this when I know first hand that they enjoy a good hard match as much as the next.

There are many silent viewers of this forum but if you agree or disagree, please speak up because your opinion counts

I'll wrap up by saying PAR is great for pros and televised sport but not for us guys in Div 1, we're not pros (exclude about 4 players from a total of circa 50).

Thoughts?

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Permalink Reply by Phill Crane on June 2, 2010 at 1:06pm: Sorry I'm wrong just under 37% have voted to stick with HiHo ;>)

Or put another way slightly over a third ;>)

Mark Lennox said:
Not correct Phil.

As I type the resuts are 19 votes:

7 votes for HiHO
6 Votes for PAR 15 as an alternative
3 votes for 'not caring either way'
3 Votes for keeping PAR 11

Can't see any spin there, just facts.. ;-); ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Mark Lennox on June 2, 2010 at 1:37pm: Compared to just 15% of the votes wanting to keep PAR 11

Or you could also say that HiHo has over twice the amount of votes than PAR 11.

Either way, I think it shows that after a trial period, people are not happy about their valuable court time being cut down.

Here's a quick quiz question for you and others...

If you were using squash as a way of keeping fit, at what stage of a squash match would you say you gain the most amount of fitness benefit?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Phill Crane on June 2, 2010 at 1:51pm: If you are using squash to keep fit then you could be making a big mistake - especially as you get older.
The stresses and strains it puts your body and heart under are tremendous.

The old saying of "get fit to play squash and don't play squash to get fit" is as true today as it's ever been.

p.s. How about a straight PAR v HiHo rather than watering down the PAR vote into different categories.

Mark Lennox said:
Compared to just 15% of the votes wanting to keep PAR 11

Or you could also say that HiHo has over twice the amount of votes than PAR 11.

Either way, I think it shows that after a trial period, people are not happy about their valuable court time being cut down.

Here's a quick quiz question for you and others...

If you were using squash as a way of keeping fit, at what stage of a squash match would you say you gain the most amount of fitness benefit?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Ian Armstrong on June 4, 2010 at 11:37am: Is there a way to email all members of this forum to inform them of the vote?

The way the voting is going at present it seems that some do like PAR 11 but a lot more would prefer PAR 15 and together about twice as many would prefer some form of PAR compared to HiHo; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by martin clark on June 4, 2010 at 12:58pm: If the whole world of squash is changing to par then surely we should follow suit as I can't think of any other sport where the pros play a different scoring system to the amateurs, if the sport is changing then we should change with it. Just like football changing rules like offside. It is trying a different way of playing in accordance to the rules, so I am all for it. I am all for par because it makes you more aware of mistakes cost u matches, more harsh which is better to me because eventually it will make you make fewer mistakes! PAR all the way; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Mark Lennox on June 7, 2010 at 9:21pm: Martin, the PRO game is a very different game - do we all play with 17" tins too? No.

Lets not be sheep and just go along with this, this is our time on court and we [well I for one, of many] am not prepared to just let this go. I'm ok with PAR 15 because that compensates but 11 is too short.

If this is rolled out to Div 2,3,4 & 5, believe me you'd have a mutiny!

martin clark said:
If the whole world of squash is changing to par then surely we should follow suit as I can't think of any other sport where the pros play a different scoring system to the amateurs, if the sport is changing then we should change with it. Just like football changing rules like offside. It is trying a different way of playing in accordance to the rules, so I am all for it. I am all for par because it makes you more aware of mistakes cost u matches, more harsh which is better to me because eventually it will make you make fewer mistakes! PAR all the way; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Paul Adam 1 day ago: Completely agree with your comments, Mark! PAR to 11 is ridiculous at this level and (in my opinion) completely ruins the game.

Mark Lennox said:
Martin, the PRO game is a very different game - do we all play with 17" tins too? No.

Lets not be sheep and just go along with this, this is our time on court and we [well I for one, of many] am not prepared to just let this go. I'm ok with PAR 15 because that compensates but 11 is too short.

If this is rolled out to Div 2,3,4 & 5, believe me you'd have a mutiny!

martin clark said:
If the whole world of squash is changing to par then surely we should follow suit as I can't think of any other sport where the pros play a different scoring system to the amateurs, if the sport is changing then we should change with it. Just like football changing rules like offside. It is trying a different way of playing in accordance to the rules, so I am all for it. I am all for par because it makes you more aware of mistakes cost u matches, more harsh which is better to me because eventually it will make you make fewer mistakes! PAR all the way; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Mat Kendall 1 day ago: So why are we not just sensibly playing par squash to 15?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by Mark Lennox 1 day ago: As I understand it, division 1 is trialling PAR 11 for the Summer period because it was voted IN at the AGM fair and square.

I believe it was done on the proviso that everyone involved would feedback and a decision would be taken at the end of the Summer (or just as soon as it became apparent that it was a success or not).

Clearly people have mixed views and are still making their minds up. And yes, it's emerging that PAR 15 might be the happy medium that pleases the majority of league players. We'll see.

I personally have made my views clear about PAR 11 being too short and I do question the rationale of those that are so PRO (clue) PAR 11. To say that 'this is the scoring and we now have to get on with it' when it has such a negative impact for many is not a good enough reason (for me anyway).

They changed the scoring in Badminton and it had such a bad reaction, they had to change it back again - and in fact increased the points from 11 to 21. This happened because people made their views known.

Anyway, I think I've made my own point abundantly clear and promise to start more discussions on this forum which will hopefully be anything other than PAR scoring ;-)

Mat Kendall said:
So why are we not just sensibly playing par squash to 15?; ▶ Reply to This

Permalink Reply by David Rannard 12 hours ago: I had my first experience of the PAR 11 scoring in a priory match last night. I'm with the majority and am not keen. It was all over far too quickly for my liking and as I heard the opposition say at one point during a match... "I've travelled all this way for this to be over so quickly!" It has to be PAR 15 or the good old scoring system to 9 IMHO.; ▶ Reply to This